Basically this thread is about what is wrong with WOTR and what can possibly be done to improve the problems.

So far the major problems we decided upon is

Magic and might

What do people think about these

Ill update this post as we go along

Magic is definitely overpowered and unbalanced in my opinion. Haven't come across using magic much in my past experience with games however even in the short amount of time it was clear.

Radagasts spells are almost too good against cavalry

Magic is definately overpowered.

The special rules for heroes should also actually do something rather than take up ink/space in the rulebook.

Red Corsairs wrote:

Radagasts spells are almost too good against cavalry

radagast has nothing extra special against cavalry

however what annoys me about radagast is the fact he can call epic tranquility so essentially sit there humming and the orcs will think "aaaw we cant attack that, its too cute/ cuddly/harmless (delete as appropriate) and while there thinking that radagast launcehs an attack against them

I think if he calls an epic tranquility then the formation he is with should be unable to charge

What about the "Epic Strike timing" probplem. Can you counter one strike with another? Can you stike when terror test reduced your fight to 1? Can you Strike in duels? Thats full of holes

Jaws 900 how would you solve the epic strike then. Would you not allow counters etc.
On the topic of terror we cant figure out if terror counters out terror like it does in fantasy or do both units still have to test

I'm not sure about terror in War of the Ring but I know they each counter out one another in SBG

Red Corsairs wrote:

I'm not sure about terror in War of the Ring but I know they each counter out one another in SBG

I dont think they do counter each other out, the rules just say a warrior charging a terrifying enemy must take a courage test. It doesnt refer to terror countering out terror.Nb this is SBG not WOTR

Just checked my rulebook and I stand corrected

Wonder why I thought that

Red Corsairs wrote:

Just checked my rulebook and I stand corrected

Wonder why I thought that

maybe because i refered to the rule in fantasy and maybe it just fitted . But back on topic how would you play terror in WOTR

I'd just have it so they counter each other out, think about it. Would a Mumakil see treebeard and get scared? It just makes more sense to me that they should counteract with each other.

I'd say they don't counter - just because you're scary doesn't mean you can't be scared (e.g. a wraith would leg it from Glorfindel, but Glorfindel would leg it from all nine ganging up on him). The rules make no mention that terror cancels terror, therefore they don't cancel.

Dînadan wrote:

I'd say they don't counter - just because you're scary doesn't mean you can't be scared (e.g. a wraith would leg it from Glorfindel, but Glorfindel would leg it from all nine ganging up on him). The rules make no mention that terror cancels terror, therefore they don't cancel.

thats how we thought about it. just cause im scary doesnt mean i wont be scared by you for example

I realize the rules make no mention of it meaning obviously they don't counteract one another, all I meant was that in my opinion they should in a similar way to fantasy. And Glorfindel wouldnt leg it from the Nine, it was just because he had to save Frodo

feanor the gim wrote:

Jaws 900 how would you solve the epic strike then. Would you not allow counters etc.
On the topic of terror we cant figure out if terror counters out terror like it does in fantasy or do both units still have to test

I have a house rule that staits that you may chain any Epic/heoric abiltiy ontop of another and the most resant in the chain ativates first or a roll-off accures in the case for Heroic Charges etc. However i have forrbenten Epic Stike, Ramapge and any other "Offencive" stills if the failed a Terro test for the rest of the turn.

I have also forbbbioden maigc casting if the formation is disorgnised as the magic caster will be trying to keep him men in place.

feanor the gim wrote:

however what annoys me about radagast is the fact he can call epic tranquility so essentially sit there humming and the orcs will think "aaaw we cant attack that, its too cute/ cuddly/harmless

Sorry, I just had to comment on Radagasts power
Never quite imagined him as the cuddly wizard